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		<title>Comment on Saving the Society for Pentecostal Studies by Roger Armbruster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Armbruster</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes there is need for a healthy and open and transparent airing of different views such as took place at the Council of Jerusalem.  Those who advocate such an open process are not fear-mongering, and are truly advocates of due process.  They are only saying that the process should be an open one, and not one that by-passes a process that includes all members as to the direction that the SPS needs to take into the future.  Are even minimal core values important for any organization or society?  Our love and our prayers are with you all.  Let&#039;s remember that we have nothing to fear from the light, and from being transparent about what people really and actually believe.  Let&#039;s not suppress what is in people&#039;s hearts in any way, shape or form.  That what is in the hearts should come out is a good and a releasing thing, not something sinister or oppressive.  Let freedom prevail!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes there is need for a healthy and open and transparent airing of different views such as took place at the Council of Jerusalem.  Those who advocate such an open process are not fear-mongering, and are truly advocates of due process.  They are only saying that the process should be an open one, and not one that by-passes a process that includes all members as to the direction that the SPS needs to take into the future.  Are even minimal core values important for any organization or society?  Our love and our prayers are with you all.  Let&#8217;s remember that we have nothing to fear from the light, and from being transparent about what people really and actually believe.  Let&#8217;s not suppress what is in people&#8217;s hearts in any way, shape or form.  That what is in the hearts should come out is a good and a releasing thing, not something sinister or oppressive.  Let freedom prevail!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Conference on the Holy Spirit or Holy Spirit Conference? Why Not Both? by James Bowers</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Bowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great Conference! The diversity of perspectives, emphasis on how the Holy Spirit relates to different contexts of theological scholarship and ministry practice was truly stimulating and edifying. I commend the leadership of the Center for an excellent event. I hope many more with the same commitment to hospitality to the many tongues and peoples of our faith will follow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Conference! The diversity of perspectives, emphasis on how the Holy Spirit relates to different contexts of theological scholarship and ministry practice was truly stimulating and edifying. I commend the leadership of the Center for an excellent event. I hope many more with the same commitment to hospitality to the many tongues and peoples of our faith will follow.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saving the Society for Pentecostal Studies by Roger Armbruster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Armbruster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 19:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What would be your take on this article on the SPS which has been on the Internet since last July? 

http://juicyecumenism.com/2012/07/14/queering-the-pentecostals/

My perspective is that if the SPS is to be an open society to engage with other points of view, it is views and concerns like this that much be engaged with and publicly addressed.

I distinguish PERSONS from BELIEFS.  All persons are created in the image of God as male and female, and therefore have inherent dignity, worth and value.  Not all beliefs, however, are equally valid, and when these beliefs come out into the open, they must be engaged with so that we can walk in the light together.

My experience has been that some presenters at the SPS Annual Meeting present a provocative topic in order to engage discussion, but when engaged with, quickly want to silence discussion.  This is unconscionable from a Christian worldview.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would be your take on this article on the SPS which has been on the Internet since last July? </p>
<p><a href="http://juicyecumenism.com/2012/07/14/queering-the-pentecostals/" rel="nofollow">http://juicyecumenism.com/2012/07/14/queering-the-pentecostals/</a></p>
<p>My perspective is that if the SPS is to be an open society to engage with other points of view, it is views and concerns like this that much be engaged with and publicly addressed.</p>
<p>I distinguish PERSONS from BELIEFS.  All persons are created in the image of God as male and female, and therefore have inherent dignity, worth and value.  Not all beliefs, however, are equally valid, and when these beliefs come out into the open, they must be engaged with so that we can walk in the light together.</p>
<p>My experience has been that some presenters at the SPS Annual Meeting present a provocative topic in order to engage discussion, but when engaged with, quickly want to silence discussion.  This is unconscionable from a Christian worldview.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saving the Society for Pentecostal Studies by Roger Armbruster</title>
		<link>http://renewaldynamics.com/2013/03/01/saving-the-society-for-pentecostal-studies/comment-page-1/#comment-41951</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Armbruster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 19:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When it comes to the need for prudence and discernment, I am sure that all sides would agree with those words, but our problem is that the same words can mean different things to different people.  Some would say that we need a minimal statement of faith for the precise reason that we can then exercise prudence and discernment between worldviews and beliefs that are Christ-centred, and those that tend to be more self-centred, where theology becomes more of a social construct than a divine revelation.  Is there not a need to discern between theology as a social construct (that starts with man, and projects man&#039;s view on  to God) and theology as a divine revelation which begins with God, and invites humans beings into a relationship that is a part of His redemptive plan, not a social construct of the human mind?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to the need for prudence and discernment, I am sure that all sides would agree with those words, but our problem is that the same words can mean different things to different people.  Some would say that we need a minimal statement of faith for the precise reason that we can then exercise prudence and discernment between worldviews and beliefs that are Christ-centred, and those that tend to be more self-centred, where theology becomes more of a social construct than a divine revelation.  Is there not a need to discern between theology as a social construct (that starts with man, and projects man&#8217;s view on  to God) and theology as a divine revelation which begins with God, and invites humans beings into a relationship that is a part of His redemptive plan, not a social construct of the human mind?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saving the Society for Pentecostal Studies by Wolfgang Vondey</title>
		<link>http://renewaldynamics.com/2013/03/01/saving-the-society-for-pentecostal-studies/comment-page-1/#comment-41934</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfgang Vondey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 17:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A good question, Roger, that SPS will surely discuss at the meeting. I suspect that &quot;to the extent appropriate for an academic society&quot; will play a role in this discussion. The proposal of the executive committee addresses this matter prudently, keeping in mind the diversity of the body.... My hope is that prudence and discernment will prevail...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good question, Roger, that SPS will surely discuss at the meeting. I suspect that &#8220;to the extent appropriate for an academic society&#8221; will play a role in this discussion. The proposal of the executive committee addresses this matter prudently, keeping in mind the diversity of the body&#8230;. My hope is that prudence and discernment will prevail&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saving the Society for Pentecostal Studies by Roger Armbruster</title>
		<link>http://renewaldynamics.com/2013/03/01/saving-the-society-for-pentecostal-studies/comment-page-1/#comment-41924</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Armbruster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 05:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The web-site of the SPS states clearly that &quot;The purpose of the Society is to stimulate, encourage, recognize and publicize the work of Pentecostal and Charismatic scholars; to study the implications of Pentecostal theology in relation to other academic disciplines, seeking a Pentecostal world and life view; and to support fully, to the extent appropriate for an academic society, the Statement of purposes for the World Pentecostal Fellowship.&quot;

The culminating purpose in this Statement is clearly said to be &quot;to uphold and maintain those Pentecostal truths, most surely believed among us.&#039;&quot;  

My question, then would be, how can members sign up without an adherence to a minimal statement of faith of those Pentecostal truths, &quot;most surely believed among us&quot;?  If so, do membership requirements have meaning and clarity?  Or is ambiguity to be preferred in the light of the gospel message that we proclaim?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The web-site of the SPS states clearly that &#8220;The purpose of the Society is to stimulate, encourage, recognize and publicize the work of Pentecostal and Charismatic scholars; to study the implications of Pentecostal theology in relation to other academic disciplines, seeking a Pentecostal world and life view; and to support fully, to the extent appropriate for an academic society, the Statement of purposes for the World Pentecostal Fellowship.&#8221;</p>
<p>The culminating purpose in this Statement is clearly said to be &#8220;to uphold and maintain those Pentecostal truths, most surely believed among us.&#8217;&#8221;  </p>
<p>My question, then would be, how can members sign up without an adherence to a minimal statement of faith of those Pentecostal truths, &#8220;most surely believed among us&#8221;?  If so, do membership requirements have meaning and clarity?  Or is ambiguity to be preferred in the light of the gospel message that we proclaim?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saving the Society for Pentecostal Studies by Wolfgang Vondey</title>
		<link>http://renewaldynamics.com/2013/03/01/saving-the-society-for-pentecostal-studies/comment-page-1/#comment-41913</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfgang Vondey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 19:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[William, SPS does not need to be saved from those who wish to require a faith statement. It needs salvation from disunity, quarrel, strife, and a potential lack of credibility (academic, ecumenical, you name it). That is why I did not charge &quot;those who want a faith statement&quot; as you say. My post is directed only at the way some, who wish to require a specific form of faith statement, have carried out their argument in public prior to our meeting. I did specifically take no position on my own in the post, even though I do hold a position. Whether I advocate a faith statement or not does matter, but it is of no consequence for my argument. I must therefore correct you in your accusation that my argument is ad hominem directed at you. An ad hominem argument is a logical error, in which someone attempts to discredit the argument of another person by appealing to that person&#039;s character flaws. If you read my post carefully, you would notice that I did not discredit your argument or that of anyone else. I state clearly that both arguments are valid positions in my view. I have no intentions to engage the arguments in the first place, since that is precisely what I suggest should be reserved for the body. We are not opponents here, William! Most certainly, I consider neither side &quot;my opponent&quot; and I do not wish to discredit either position. As you recall, it is not the position on the proposal that I am concerned about but the way some have put forward their revisions and proposals in public and apart from the gathering of SPS members. In the case of your public proposal, for example, I would caution you not to use other SPS members, such as Amos Yong or Dale Coulter, in a manner that seems to imply support of your proposal. I would let the persons speak for themselves first, since they may or may not support your larger perspective or the particular proposal you have put forward. Perhaps this illustrates some of my concerns, although I explicitly chose not to point out particular proposals. I do so only now because you bravely stepped forward to engage the discussion from your perspective. I value that perspective, and I do not mind that SPS members make their position public, in general, as long as that does not involve the concerns I have raised. You may also not be fully aware of other existing public proposals, and I would suggest that you engage the executive committee in conversation about that. You charge the committee with declining to act. I would say that the committee declined to accept your (and other) proposals; not that they declined to act. They were involved throughout the past two years in discussion of a number of proposals and ideas (including my own, by the way). After doing so, they put forward one proposal to the membership for consideration. I cannot speak on behalf of the committee, but I can understand that they do not wish to engage in these debates in public. I am grateful to the executive committee for the time and energy they spend throughout the year with the business of the Society. Those who originally proposed the faith statement revision in 2012 also deserve our respect. I felt a lack of this respect at our last business meeting by some of members. I also disagree with your assessment that the &quot;executive committee is leading members in only one direction.&quot; The discussion and proposal of alternative proposals should take place within the body, and there is space for that discussion (although you may recall that I advocate a change of the meeting time and expansion for the purpose of facilitating such discussion). There can be a place for our disagreement at the meeting. That is why I suggest that we as members entertain debate and putting forward our own proposals only within the confines of the body. If we disagree here, then my concern remains for the future of our fellowship, the future of fellowship in the Society, and the way Pentecostal scholarship will be perceived by Pentecostal scholars, by those who wish to engage in the study of Pentecostalism, and by those who hold a hesitant or negative attitude toward Pentecostalism. If our discussion in two weeks leads to disunity, then the SPS may no longer be a place where the future of Pentecostal scholarship is decided. I for one want to avoid that we get to that point. I hope that our conversation contributes to other conversations among SPS members. They, too, may disagree with me or you, and the way we carry out our disagreement in public. But I agree with you in the hope that this conversation may clear the air for dialogue, mutual respect, and hopefully a swift business meeting in Seattle. Here is to the longevity of the Society for Pentecostal Studies!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William, SPS does not need to be saved from those who wish to require a faith statement. It needs salvation from disunity, quarrel, strife, and a potential lack of credibility (academic, ecumenical, you name it). That is why I did not charge &#8220;those who want a faith statement&#8221; as you say. My post is directed only at the way some, who wish to require a specific form of faith statement, have carried out their argument in public prior to our meeting. I did specifically take no position on my own in the post, even though I do hold a position. Whether I advocate a faith statement or not does matter, but it is of no consequence for my argument. I must therefore correct you in your accusation that my argument is ad hominem directed at you. An ad hominem argument is a logical error, in which someone attempts to discredit the argument of another person by appealing to that person&#8217;s character flaws. If you read my post carefully, you would notice that I did not discredit your argument or that of anyone else. I state clearly that both arguments are valid positions in my view. I have no intentions to engage the arguments in the first place, since that is precisely what I suggest should be reserved for the body. We are not opponents here, William! Most certainly, I consider neither side &#8220;my opponent&#8221; and I do not wish to discredit either position. As you recall, it is not the position on the proposal that I am concerned about but the way some have put forward their revisions and proposals in public and apart from the gathering of SPS members. In the case of your public proposal, for example, I would caution you not to use other SPS members, such as Amos Yong or Dale Coulter, in a manner that seems to imply support of your proposal. I would let the persons speak for themselves first, since they may or may not support your larger perspective or the particular proposal you have put forward. Perhaps this illustrates some of my concerns, although I explicitly chose not to point out particular proposals. I do so only now because you bravely stepped forward to engage the discussion from your perspective. I value that perspective, and I do not mind that SPS members make their position public, in general, as long as that does not involve the concerns I have raised. You may also not be fully aware of other existing public proposals, and I would suggest that you engage the executive committee in conversation about that. You charge the committee with declining to act. I would say that the committee declined to accept your (and other) proposals; not that they declined to act. They were involved throughout the past two years in discussion of a number of proposals and ideas (including my own, by the way). After doing so, they put forward one proposal to the membership for consideration. I cannot speak on behalf of the committee, but I can understand that they do not wish to engage in these debates in public. I am grateful to the executive committee for the time and energy they spend throughout the year with the business of the Society. Those who originally proposed the faith statement revision in 2012 also deserve our respect. I felt a lack of this respect at our last business meeting by some of members. I also disagree with your assessment that the &#8220;executive committee is leading members in only one direction.&#8221; The discussion and proposal of alternative proposals should take place within the body, and there is space for that discussion (although you may recall that I advocate a change of the meeting time and expansion for the purpose of facilitating such discussion). There can be a place for our disagreement at the meeting. That is why I suggest that we as members entertain debate and putting forward our own proposals only within the confines of the body. If we disagree here, then my concern remains for the future of our fellowship, the future of fellowship in the Society, and the way Pentecostal scholarship will be perceived by Pentecostal scholars, by those who wish to engage in the study of Pentecostalism, and by those who hold a hesitant or negative attitude toward Pentecostalism. If our discussion in two weeks leads to disunity, then the SPS may no longer be a place where the future of Pentecostal scholarship is decided. I for one want to avoid that we get to that point. I hope that our conversation contributes to other conversations among SPS members. They, too, may disagree with me or you, and the way we carry out our disagreement in public. But I agree with you in the hope that this conversation may clear the air for dialogue, mutual respect, and hopefully a swift business meeting in Seattle. Here is to the longevity of the Society for Pentecostal Studies!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saving the Society for Pentecostal Studies by William Molenaar</title>
		<link>http://renewaldynamics.com/2013/03/01/saving-the-society-for-pentecostal-studies/comment-page-1/#comment-41911</link>
		<dc:creator>William Molenaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 15:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Vondey, 

I never said I was the only one to oppose the current proposals. I realize others have publically opposed the current proposals. But to my knowledge, no one else has PUBLICALLY put forth an alternative proposal, and this is what I in fact said, &quot;to my knowledge I am the only one who has publically opposed the current proposals to change the SPS constitution AND put forth an alternative amendment.&quot; 

I do recall that at the last business meeting there were a couple (not several) young members who voiced their support for the 2012 proposal. And no, I didn&#039;t speak up in that meeting (although I would have spoken against the 2012 proposal). 

You may not have directed your post to my open letter alone, but you implicated my open letter in your critiques and that SPS should somehow be saved from members like me (young, inexperienced, PhD lacking, etc.).  And you charged those who want a faith statement (including me) as &quot;without respect of the well-being of the Society.&quot; Your original post was simply an ad hominem attack.  You may claim it was not personally directed towards me, but you already admit that my open letter and alternative proposal is part of the un-named group that you are decrying.    

All I ask is that members of SPS will not simply dismiss the alternative proposal that I have made public, and which has garnered support by both young and veteran members of SPS.  I&#039;m a full-member of SPS and expect to be treated as such.  We must listen to all of God&#039;s people (Acts 2:17), and discern what the Spirit is in fact really saying. Let me be clear, I&#039;m not saying everything young members say is prophetic, nor am I using the &quot;God-trump card&quot; (as evident by my remarks above regarding some young members).  This whole matter requires diligent prayer, and open conversation of all of the options for the future of SPS.  

I understand you disagree with my method of writing an open letter.  Can we agree to disagree? The SPS executive committee is leading members in only one direction (2012 &amp; 2013 proposals) without providing alternative possibilities for the members to decide for themselves.  I provided such an alternative in my open letter.  I don’t believe I have not spoken out of turn, since not one senior member has publically proposed an alternative to the current 2012 &amp; 2013 proposals (they have over an entire year to do this).  To this day not one senior full-member has publically put forth an alternative (other than the ones who support the proposal in my open letter) for other members to consider before going into the business meeting in in about 2 week from now).  Also, SPS currently has no forum for genuine discussion for SPS members.  As I stated before, I corresponded privately with a number of SPS members.  I also posted my letter on the official SPS Facebook page, and it was removed by the admins (they had every right to do so, so no hard feelings). My only option seemed to be an open letter on my personal blog, to which SPS members could direct other members.  I made every effort to follow the proper due process of respecting those in authority of SPS.  Some veteran leaders of SPS (past and present executive committee members) who don’t support my alternative proposal still welcomed my contribution to the discussion, and encouraged me by saying, “your speaking out is important precisely so that the collaborative discernment of the society can be more broadly informed.”

I realize that others in SPS may perceive the current situation in the way you describe it in your original post.  I find that perspective very polarizing.  I only ask for a calm, clear, and open discussion about the real possibilities and alternative proposals that SPS members can prayerfully consider, and vote upon themselves.  I hope I have brought clarity to misunderstandings, and communicated a reasonable counter-perspective that is not hostile, but written in a spirit of grace and with sound argumentation.  

SPS doesn’t need to be saved from “other members” in SPS, SPS needs open and free dialog so that we as members can come to well-informed, prayerful agreement under the direction of the Holy Spirit.

Peace,
William Molenaar]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Vondey, </p>
<p>I never said I was the only one to oppose the current proposals. I realize others have publically opposed the current proposals. But to my knowledge, no one else has PUBLICALLY put forth an alternative proposal, and this is what I in fact said, &#8220;to my knowledge I am the only one who has publically opposed the current proposals to change the SPS constitution AND put forth an alternative amendment.&#8221; </p>
<p>I do recall that at the last business meeting there were a couple (not several) young members who voiced their support for the 2012 proposal. And no, I didn&#8217;t speak up in that meeting (although I would have spoken against the 2012 proposal). </p>
<p>You may not have directed your post to my open letter alone, but you implicated my open letter in your critiques and that SPS should somehow be saved from members like me (young, inexperienced, PhD lacking, etc.).  And you charged those who want a faith statement (including me) as &#8220;without respect of the well-being of the Society.&#8221; Your original post was simply an ad hominem attack.  You may claim it was not personally directed towards me, but you already admit that my open letter and alternative proposal is part of the un-named group that you are decrying.    </p>
<p>All I ask is that members of SPS will not simply dismiss the alternative proposal that I have made public, and which has garnered support by both young and veteran members of SPS.  I&#8217;m a full-member of SPS and expect to be treated as such.  We must listen to all of God&#8217;s people (Acts 2:17), and discern what the Spirit is in fact really saying. Let me be clear, I&#8217;m not saying everything young members say is prophetic, nor am I using the &#8220;God-trump card&#8221; (as evident by my remarks above regarding some young members).  This whole matter requires diligent prayer, and open conversation of all of the options for the future of SPS.  </p>
<p>I understand you disagree with my method of writing an open letter.  Can we agree to disagree? The SPS executive committee is leading members in only one direction (2012 &amp; 2013 proposals) without providing alternative possibilities for the members to decide for themselves.  I provided such an alternative in my open letter.  I don’t believe I have not spoken out of turn, since not one senior member has publically proposed an alternative to the current 2012 &amp; 2013 proposals (they have over an entire year to do this).  To this day not one senior full-member has publically put forth an alternative (other than the ones who support the proposal in my open letter) for other members to consider before going into the business meeting in in about 2 week from now).  Also, SPS currently has no forum for genuine discussion for SPS members.  As I stated before, I corresponded privately with a number of SPS members.  I also posted my letter on the official SPS Facebook page, and it was removed by the admins (they had every right to do so, so no hard feelings). My only option seemed to be an open letter on my personal blog, to which SPS members could direct other members.  I made every effort to follow the proper due process of respecting those in authority of SPS.  Some veteran leaders of SPS (past and present executive committee members) who don’t support my alternative proposal still welcomed my contribution to the discussion, and encouraged me by saying, “your speaking out is important precisely so that the collaborative discernment of the society can be more broadly informed.”</p>
<p>I realize that others in SPS may perceive the current situation in the way you describe it in your original post.  I find that perspective very polarizing.  I only ask for a calm, clear, and open discussion about the real possibilities and alternative proposals that SPS members can prayerfully consider, and vote upon themselves.  I hope I have brought clarity to misunderstandings, and communicated a reasonable counter-perspective that is not hostile, but written in a spirit of grace and with sound argumentation.  </p>
<p>SPS doesn’t need to be saved from “other members” in SPS, SPS needs open and free dialog so that we as members can come to well-informed, prayerful agreement under the direction of the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
William Molenaar</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saving the Society for Pentecostal Studies by Wolfgang Vondey</title>
		<link>http://renewaldynamics.com/2013/03/01/saving-the-society-for-pentecostal-studies/comment-page-1/#comment-41760</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfgang Vondey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[William, I cannot speak for Doug, but please be assured that I did not direct my post at a single person and not at your position alone. As I understand Doug, we perceive a vocal group among those who advocate a required faith statement. I understand that you do not stand for everyone in that group. At least in my post, I did not intend to address the content of the decision but the manner in which that group expresses its desires for the future of SPS. I regret if my writing came across as directed only at you. Perhaps your blog is very visible, but it is not the sole target of my attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William, I cannot speak for Doug, but please be assured that I did not direct my post at a single person and not at your position alone. As I understand Doug, we perceive a vocal group among those who advocate a required faith statement. I understand that you do not stand for everyone in that group. At least in my post, I did not intend to address the content of the decision but the manner in which that group expresses its desires for the future of SPS. I regret if my writing came across as directed only at you. Perhaps your blog is very visible, but it is not the sole target of my attention.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saving the Society for Pentecostal Studies by Wolfgang Vondey</title>
		<link>http://renewaldynamics.com/2013/03/01/saving-the-society-for-pentecostal-studies/comment-page-1/#comment-41756</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfgang Vondey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, William, for your clarifying remarks. As you see in my post, I did not point fingers at anyone personally or any one individual. I can say, however, that I did not write the post directed at one attempt alone. That you are the only one who has publicly opposed the current proposals is not correct. There are a number of persons who have advocated their views and gathered support for a faith statement that is required of its members. Your blog does belong to that group, but you should not interpret everything I wrote as directed at you personally or at your blog alone. I wrote about what I see as a move supported by a broader basis in SPS. My letter was not intended to engage the substance of any proposal but the manner in which these proposals are put forward. Again, this does not concern your blog alone. I am glad to see that we agree on many things. That we can have this open exchange of ideas is important for the life of the SPS. Yet, you may recall that at the last business meeting, several young members (without postgraduate degrees and in their first year of membership) voiced their ideas before allowing the leadership or more seasoned members to speak first. I do not think you were among them, but I and many others expressed concern about what happened. I agree with you that veteran SPS members and official leadership need to make a move forward and lead this discussion. I applaud that you are thinking about these matters, even if I disagree with the way you put your proposal forward. But I suspect that under the current circumstances, this discussion takes place at the SPS meeting, and no SPS leadership has stepped outside of the meetings to address the issues. That leads to the heart of my concerns. I am quite happy to discuss my own views in personal conversation, but I would not advocate a new position on the current (new) proposal in public until the body has gathered to decide the matter of the 2012 and 2013 propositions. Here is perhaps where we disagree. My concerns continue only along these lines of fellowship. I am fine with your attempt to correct me; but please keep in mind that I may not be the only one who perceives the current situation in the way I describe it. We do need diversity in SPS, even on matters of politics. I just would prefer that these opinions are debated within the fellowship of the members of the Society. I look forward to discussing them privately with you or at the meeting and extend to you the hand of fellowship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, William, for your clarifying remarks. As you see in my post, I did not point fingers at anyone personally or any one individual. I can say, however, that I did not write the post directed at one attempt alone. That you are the only one who has publicly opposed the current proposals is not correct. There are a number of persons who have advocated their views and gathered support for a faith statement that is required of its members. Your blog does belong to that group, but you should not interpret everything I wrote as directed at you personally or at your blog alone. I wrote about what I see as a move supported by a broader basis in SPS. My letter was not intended to engage the substance of any proposal but the manner in which these proposals are put forward. Again, this does not concern your blog alone. I am glad to see that we agree on many things. That we can have this open exchange of ideas is important for the life of the SPS. Yet, you may recall that at the last business meeting, several young members (without postgraduate degrees and in their first year of membership) voiced their ideas before allowing the leadership or more seasoned members to speak first. I do not think you were among them, but I and many others expressed concern about what happened. I agree with you that veteran SPS members and official leadership need to make a move forward and lead this discussion. I applaud that you are thinking about these matters, even if I disagree with the way you put your proposal forward. But I suspect that under the current circumstances, this discussion takes place at the SPS meeting, and no SPS leadership has stepped outside of the meetings to address the issues. That leads to the heart of my concerns. I am quite happy to discuss my own views in personal conversation, but I would not advocate a new position on the current (new) proposal in public until the body has gathered to decide the matter of the 2012 and 2013 propositions. Here is perhaps where we disagree. My concerns continue only along these lines of fellowship. I am fine with your attempt to correct me; but please keep in mind that I may not be the only one who perceives the current situation in the way I describe it. We do need diversity in SPS, even on matters of politics. I just would prefer that these opinions are debated within the fellowship of the members of the Society. I look forward to discussing them privately with you or at the meeting and extend to you the hand of fellowship.</p>
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