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		<title>By: Dale M. Coulter</title>
		<link>http://renewaldynamics.com/2012/07/05/absolutism-vs-fundamentalism/comment-page-1/#comment-14194</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale M. Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comments Daniel. It&#039;s going to be very difficult, I&#039;m afraid, to maintain the term as a positive descriptor. Even Carl Henry and others who were at Fuller Theological Seminary at the beginning decided against it, and hence the modern use of Evangelicalism came in to existence or even Neo-Evangelicalism. In the wake of global movements like Islamic Fundamentalism and the Fundamentalisms project at the University of Chicago, the term will now denote a negative mindset more than a historical movement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments Daniel. It&#8217;s going to be very difficult, I&#8217;m afraid, to maintain the term as a positive descriptor. Even Carl Henry and others who were at Fuller Theological Seminary at the beginning decided against it, and hence the modern use of Evangelicalism came in to existence or even Neo-Evangelicalism. In the wake of global movements like Islamic Fundamentalism and the Fundamentalisms project at the University of Chicago, the term will now denote a negative mindset more than a historical movement.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel irving</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 05:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While &quot;fundamentalism&quot; has become associated with an assertive form of close-mindedness I prefer to keep the term as a positive.  There are doctrinal-absolutes the neglecting of which reaps terrible spiritual-consequences.  If God manifested Himself in flesh and blood there can be no individualized-perspective or subtlety to bring to bear here.  Therefore while the vast majority of those they call &quot;fundamentalists&quot; may be to some degree self-deluded and misguided, there are nonetheless inspirational examples of those that dogmatically-held to the inviolable truth while possessing the wisdom to do battle over the non-essential things subject to their revelation coming with time.  John Bunyan is a wonderful example.  Walter Martin (the Bible Answer Man) comes to mind as a modern-example of a &quot;fundamentalist&quot; who seemed to possess a discernment here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While &#8220;fundamentalism&#8221; has become associated with an assertive form of close-mindedness I prefer to keep the term as a positive.  There are doctrinal-absolutes the neglecting of which reaps terrible spiritual-consequences.  If God manifested Himself in flesh and blood there can be no individualized-perspective or subtlety to bring to bear here.  Therefore while the vast majority of those they call &#8220;fundamentalists&#8221; may be to some degree self-deluded and misguided, there are nonetheless inspirational examples of those that dogmatically-held to the inviolable truth while possessing the wisdom to do battle over the non-essential things subject to their revelation coming with time.  John Bunyan is a wonderful example.  Walter Martin (the Bible Answer Man) comes to mind as a modern-example of a &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221; who seemed to possess a discernment here.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale M. Coulter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale M. Coulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Chris for your comments. 

You raise a good point about the OT. There is ongoing debate about how precisely to relate the OT to the NT. It&#039;s a debate Christians have been having since Marcion first suggested that the OT creator god was not the God of Jesus Christ. I don&#039;t think, however, that it&#039;s just the theological left who talks about the OT. Premillennial Dispensationalism is a pretty conservative way of reading the Bible and Dispensationalists have always claimed that God&#039;s plan for the Jews in the OT is not the same as God&#039;s plan for the church in the NT. This perspective has been attacked considerably by Reformed advocates of a covenantal approach to the Bible, which sees an organic connection between all of the covenants from covenant with Adam and Eve to the final covenant with Jesus. There are numerous debates within evangelicalism that surround these two basic positions (and to be clear I don&#039;t have a dog in these hunts, as it were) as for example the Lordship Salvation debate. On one side was Zane Hodges and Charles Ryrie who claimed that salvation was an completely free gift of grace, which meant that you did not have to do anything else. To require anything else of the believer than faith was to fail into a law-based form of Christianity. On the other side were folks like RC Sproul who said that while salvation was a free gift, Christ must be Lord of one&#039;s life, which meant that the believer had to follow his commandments. 

I am saying all of this to let you know that the debate on how to connect OT to NT is alive and well in conservative evangelical circles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Chris for your comments. </p>
<p>You raise a good point about the OT. There is ongoing debate about how precisely to relate the OT to the NT. It&#8217;s a debate Christians have been having since Marcion first suggested that the OT creator god was not the God of Jesus Christ. I don&#8217;t think, however, that it&#8217;s just the theological left who talks about the OT. Premillennial Dispensationalism is a pretty conservative way of reading the Bible and Dispensationalists have always claimed that God&#8217;s plan for the Jews in the OT is not the same as God&#8217;s plan for the church in the NT. This perspective has been attacked considerably by Reformed advocates of a covenantal approach to the Bible, which sees an organic connection between all of the covenants from covenant with Adam and Eve to the final covenant with Jesus. There are numerous debates within evangelicalism that surround these two basic positions (and to be clear I don&#8217;t have a dog in these hunts, as it were) as for example the Lordship Salvation debate. On one side was Zane Hodges and Charles Ryrie who claimed that salvation was an completely free gift of grace, which meant that you did not have to do anything else. To require anything else of the believer than faith was to fail into a law-based form of Christianity. On the other side were folks like RC Sproul who said that while salvation was a free gift, Christ must be Lord of one&#8217;s life, which meant that the believer had to follow his commandments. </p>
<p>I am saying all of this to let you know that the debate on how to connect OT to NT is alive and well in conservative evangelical circles.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Coulter you touch upon several important areas worthy of comment but I will try to hone in on your points as they relate to ascertaining truth. Specifically your correct contention that sometimes telling the truth, the whole truth etc can wreck things. I like your question “What does the truth require of me in this concrete situation? This is very insightful.I have realized that in some situations nothing good will come from the truth. Or perhaps better stated the truth must often be given is small dosages over time. When people are indoctrinated into false belief systems it takes time from them to have their eyes opened to it and if you shine too much light at them they will simply close their eyes.    

For instance a person trapped in homosexuality will simply walk away in disgust if you preach fire and brimstone at them and tell them that the OT law commanded the death penalty for their behavior. A more profitable approach would be to have them examine their brokenness and need for a savior. However, if we dismiss the OT law completely and limit NT admonitions as being context specific as is currently in fashion, then we have basically given away our primary means for illumination and guidance in these areas. Then issues such as homosexuality, inclusivism, egalitarianism etc are all up for debate as the clear scriptural admonitions have been thrown out the window. This seems to be the primary tactic of superimposing our modern philosophical systems on scripture. I am not sure if the people who argue in such a manner actually know that they are doing this or not? I do know that if you have to start eliminating large sections of scripture in order to hold to a position you need to reevaluate why you are really choosing to hold to that position.

Your brother in Christ,

Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Coulter you touch upon several important areas worthy of comment but I will try to hone in on your points as they relate to ascertaining truth. Specifically your correct contention that sometimes telling the truth, the whole truth etc can wreck things. I like your question “What does the truth require of me in this concrete situation? This is very insightful.I have realized that in some situations nothing good will come from the truth. Or perhaps better stated the truth must often be given is small dosages over time. When people are indoctrinated into false belief systems it takes time from them to have their eyes opened to it and if you shine too much light at them they will simply close their eyes.    </p>
<p>For instance a person trapped in homosexuality will simply walk away in disgust if you preach fire and brimstone at them and tell them that the OT law commanded the death penalty for their behavior. A more profitable approach would be to have them examine their brokenness and need for a savior. However, if we dismiss the OT law completely and limit NT admonitions as being context specific as is currently in fashion, then we have basically given away our primary means for illumination and guidance in these areas. Then issues such as homosexuality, inclusivism, egalitarianism etc are all up for debate as the clear scriptural admonitions have been thrown out the window. This seems to be the primary tactic of superimposing our modern philosophical systems on scripture. I am not sure if the people who argue in such a manner actually know that they are doing this or not? I do know that if you have to start eliminating large sections of scripture in order to hold to a position you need to reevaluate why you are really choosing to hold to that position.</p>
<p>Your brother in Christ,</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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